Guru Mailman17 1-26-2012 Chat - WHAT HAS TAKEN 8 YEARS |
mailman17 chat 1/26/12 8pm ct
mailman17 says to (20:22:49): I HAVE READ EVERYTHING THAT HAS COME OUT THE LAST FEW DAYS...CONTRADICTION SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT WORD
I ALSO SAW VARIOUS MEETINGS AROUND THE WORLD TAKING PLACE AS WELL
I SAW GUARDIANS POST REGARDING PARLIAMENTS SCHEDULE PER SE
NOW THIS COMES FROM PARLIAMENTS WEBSITE UNDER SECOND READINGS 3 OF THEM...FINANCE,EDUCATION AND SHABS BILL
GUARDIAN NICE FIND ON PARLIMENT
guardian says to (20:26:46): ty
mailman17 says to (20:26:52): GONNA IM YOU...GOT A JOB FOR YA...LOL
guardian says to (20:27:13): did you see the 1.17 dinars to 1 dollar?
in the budget...today's article
mailman17 says to (20:27:58): YES BUT LIKE MED SAID I BELIEVE EARLIER...THATS BASED ON HUNDRED BUCK AND MORE PER BARREL HENCE THE IMF STEPPING IN AND TELLING THEM TO BASE IT ON 85
AND I ALSO THINK THE IMF WILL STEP IN AGAIN IF NEEDED
Click "Read More" on the right to get the full scoop : )
mailman17 says to (20:22:49): I HAVE READ EVERYTHING THAT HAS COME OUT THE LAST FEW DAYS...CONTRADICTION SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT WORD
I ALSO SAW VARIOUS MEETINGS AROUND THE WORLD TAKING PLACE AS WELL
I SAW GUARDIANS POST REGARDING PARLIAMENTS SCHEDULE PER SE
NOW THIS COMES FROM PARLIAMENTS WEBSITE UNDER SECOND READINGS 3 OF THEM...FINANCE,EDUCATION AND SHABS BILL
GUARDIAN NICE FIND ON PARLIMENT
guardian says to (20:26:46): ty
mailman17 says to (20:26:52): GONNA IM YOU...GOT A JOB FOR YA...LOL
guardian says to (20:27:13): did you see the 1.17 dinars to 1 dollar?
in the budget...today's article
mailman17 says to (20:27:58): YES BUT LIKE MED SAID I BELIEVE EARLIER...THATS BASED ON HUNDRED BUCK AND MORE PER BARREL HENCE THE IMF STEPPING IN AND TELLING THEM TO BASE IT ON 85
AND I ALSO THINK THE IMF WILL STEP IN AGAIN IF NEEDED
Click "Read More" on the right to get the full scoop : )
guardian says to (20:29:49): yes, there was a stipulation for a certain group, i have to look
mailman17 says to (20:30:01):
IF ANYONE CAN FIND IT YOU CAN...
MORE INTERESTED IN THE ACTUAL ARTICLE..RUMORS OR OPINIONS CAN BE LEFT ALONE
TY GUARDIAN
I WILL BE ON FOR A BIT...
TONS OF INFO OUT THERE
BUT A LOT OF IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF
AND THATS OK
TIT FOR TAT
CONFUSING THE GENERAL POPULACE IS EXPECTED
I ALSO SEE THAT ACROSS SOME SITES...THE LOPSTERS HAVE REARED THEIR UGLY HEADS AGAIN...LOL
I THOUGHT WE BURIED THEM A LONG TIME AGO
HE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT
I WONT MENTION A NAME...BUT WILL BET ITS SOMEONE FROM MY PAST...LOL
THIS SITE HAS GIVEN YOU COUNTLESS AND I MEAN COUNTLESS REASONS AND DID SHABBIBI
guardian says to (20:34:31):
this is what i was thinking of: Iraq became a candidate member in the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI) in February 2010. We plan to publish the EITI report which would include
reconciled oil flows and payments for the oil sector by end-2011, in advance of
February 2012, which is the deadline for us to become EITI compliant.
mailman17 says to (20:34:37):
NOT SURE WHY THEY HAVE DUG THEMSELVES OUT OF THE HOLE THEY WERE PUT IN...I DIDNT LET THEM OUT...DID ANY OF YOU?...LOL
guardian says to (20:34:57):
from the IMF Country Report 2011
mailman17 says to (20:35:34):
THATS OK...I WILL TREAT THIS AS ALWAYS AS ANOTHER RUMOR..THATS WHY I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING IN WRITING BEFORE I PUT IT OUT TO THE MASSES HERE...THANKS YOU
Brewbaby says to (20:35:39):
Hi DS and mm17!
mailman17 says to (20:35:58):
HELLO BB
Brewbaby says to (20:36:07):
In case I do not see Bam Bam until much later, please thank him for me
guardian says to (20:36:12):
they're working with the WTO right now, don't they need a tradeable currency for that?
mailman17 says to (20:36:18):
NO THEY DONT
BUT THEY ARE NOT FULL MEMBERS EITHER
Brewbaby says to (20:36:39):
I know he said I owe him many cookies, need to talk to mm
guardian says to (20:36:40):
but soon will be i think
mailman17 says to (20:36:46):
I WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF ANY STIPULATIONS THE WTO MIGHT HAVE SET
WE WILL BB
Brewbaby says to (20:37:18):
I thought last year we went through that and Med said they have to have a tradable cuurency to be a full fledged member
mailman17 says to (20:37:29):
REGARDING IRAQS FULL MEMBERSHIP
THEY DO
Brewbaby says to (20:37:34):
yes
mailman17 says to (20:38:01):
THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT..IF THE WTO HAD GIVEN THEM A TARGET DATE
Brewbaby says to (20:38:16):
I thought it was to happen in April of this year
mailman17 says to (20:38:27):
AND IF THEY HAVENT BY THAT DATE...THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR
Brewbaby says to (20:38:37):
their ascension to the WTO
mailman17 says to (20:38:50):
BB..NOTHING CONCRETE DATE WISE...I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOME CEMENT...LOL
THERES A **BLEEP** LOT GOING ON BEHIND OUR BACKS
Brewbaby says to (20:39:36):
Did not the article say that the UAE relieved them of their 5.8 bill in debtr so it would pave the way to the ascension
mailman17 says to (20:39:39):
AND WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS'
I KNOW THAT BOTHERS ME AND MED..AS YOU ALL AS WELL
NOT KNOWING...LOL
BB..YES...PAVE
guardian says to (20:40:21):
Trade: informative seminars continue Bmaheh Iraq's accession to the World Trade
Organization (WTO) posted today by harry
Brewbaby says to (20:40:36):
so, it appears to me that they are to be a full member come April
mailman17 says to (20:40:53):
BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW IF A CONCRETE DATE HAS BEEN SET FOR IRAQ TO ACTUALLLY HAVE A TRADEABLE AND RECOGNIZED CURRENCY BEFORE ASCENSION INTO THE WTO
TY GUARDIAN
guardian says to (20:41:13):
that is the million dollar question
mailman17 says to (20:41:30):
THEY CAN PAVE ALL THEY WANT...IRAQ IS GOOD AT PAVING...LOL
guardian says to (20:41:36):
lol
mailman17 says to (20:41:43):
ITS ACTUALLY GETTING DONE AND SIGNED OFF ON IS WHAT THEY**BLEEP**AT
Brewbaby says to (20:42:41):
Article XII of the WTO Agreement states that accession to the WTO will be “on terms to be agreed” between the acceding government and the WTO. Accession to the WTO is essentially a process of negotiation — quite different from the process of accession to other international entities, like the IMF, which is largely an automatic process.
mailman17 says to (20:42:42):
I WOULD ALSO ASSUME...THE WTO WOULD NEED IRAQS DINAR TRADE ABLE AT LEAST EVEN FOR A SHORT PERIOD BEFORE THEY GET FULL MEMBERSHIP
Big says to (20:42:44):
Actually, they just get the concrete base in and leave it at that. Next thing you know it's all washing away LOL
guardian says to (20:42:50):
i will snoop around, got my tail wagging
mailman17 says to (20:43:05):
GET EM GD
BREW...EXACTLY
Brewbaby says to (20:43:43):
Conditions of entry back to top
After examining all aspects of the existing trade and legal regimes of the acceding government the Working Party goes into the substantive part of the multilateral negotiations involved in accessions. This determines the terms and conditions of entry for the applicant government. Terms and conditions incl
mailman17 says to (20:43:51):
IF...THE WTO NEGOTIATED A DATE...SET IN STONE....I WANNA KNOW THAT DATE...LOL
guardian says to (20:44:05):
right
Brewbaby says to (20:44:21):
include commitments to observe WTO rules and disciplines upon accession and transitional periods required to make any legislative or structural changes where necessary to implement these commitments.
mailman17 says to (20:44:34):
CORRECT
ALL THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY DONE ALREADY
OR AT LEAST THEY APPEAR TO PUT IT THAT WAY
Brewbaby says to (20:46:08):
Once approved by the General Council of Ministerial Conference, the applicant is then free to sign the Protocol of Accession stating that it accepts the approved “accessions package” subject to ratific
mailman17 says to (20:46:09):
I NEED SOMEONE TO SNEAK INTO THE WTO HEADQUARTERS AND GET ME THAT DATE...WHERE MOUNTAINMAN?
Big says to (20:46:25):
Seal team6
Brewbaby says to (20:46:28):
in its national parliament. Normally three months is given from signature of the Protocol of Accession for this to take place.
Thirty days after the applicant government notifies the WTO Secretariat that it has completed its ratification procedures, the applicant government becomes a full Member of the WTO.
Brewbaby says to (20:46:58):
So, if I am reading this right, they applied or had to of applied at least three months ago
mailman17 says to (20:47:10):
SO THEY ARE ON SCHEDULE MORE OR LESS FOR APR MAR
mailman17 says to (20:47:14):
GIVE OR TAKE
Brewbaby says to (20:47:20):
that is my take on it yes
mailman17 says to (20:47:29):
BUT IT STILL HAS TO GET THROUGH IRAQS PARLIMENT
OH CRAP...THAT COULD TAKE YEARS
JUST KIDDING
DANG more waiting
I THINK PART OF THE APLICATION PROCESS WAS ACTUAL HANDS ON FROM THE WTO
Brewbaby says to (20:48:38):
The next formal meeting of the Sub-Committee is scheduled for April 2012.
mailman17 says to (20:48:51):
BUT THE WTO DOESN'T SET IRAQS RATE OR MAKE IT TRADEABLE
guardian says to (20:49:08):
i see the rumor out on the net, but no article link to back it up that they said they read...but could be one somewhere, still looking
mailman17 says to (20:49:09):
BINGO BB...APR SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A VOTE
GUARDIAN...THANK YOU...LETS FORGET ABOUT THIS ONE AND CONSIDER IT A RUMOR THEN...THANK YOU FOR DIGGING
WE DONT DO RUMORS....BUT ARTICLES WE LOVE
TY
guardian says to (20:50:28):
ok
mailman17 says to (20:50:35):
TOO BAD...I HAD A GREAT EPIPHAMY SET UP TOO....LOL
OH WELL...({)
chelle says to (20:51:13):
are we close..can I quit...
mailman17 says to (20:51:25):
CLOSE YES...QUIT...NO
NOT YET ANYWAY
chelle says to (20:51:40):
:@
mailman17 says to (20:51:55):
I STILL THINK THIS HINGES ON GETTING THE BUDGET DONE
AND RATIFIED
ALONG WITH SHABS BILL AND THE OTHER BILLS NEEDED
THATS WHAT WE WAIT IN...LETS HOPE PARLIMENT SCHEDULE AS POSTED BY GUARDIAN IS CORRECT...AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SHOW MORE OF THEIR HAND AS THE WEEK GOES BY
Brewbaby says to (20:53:51):
Ok according to what I am reading all of the weird laws they have been passing about health, agriculture, etc. etc. are all part of the stips to becoming a member in the WTO
mailman17 says to (20:54:00):
GREAT
AWESOME BB
YOUR QUITE THE DETECTIVE
Brewbaby says to (20:54:18):
http://docsonline.wto.org/DDFDocuments/t/WT/ACC/8.DOC
guardian says to (20:54:24):
Jan 7, 2012 Maliki: “Iraq’s access to such membership is in need of legislation and the laws of Iraq must approve including fit with the nature of the regulations set by the WTO. “
mailman17 says to (20:54:25):
MEDS RUBBED OFF ON YA A LITTLE
LOL
guardian says to (20:54:29):
The Ministry of Trade and Industry of Iraq have shown earlier fears of the rush to get Iraq’s permanent membership of the WTO and said that “this would create confusion in the economy in the absence of legislation and economic controls eligible for this step.”
mailman17 says to (20:54:49):
I DIDNT EVEN CATCH THAT ONE...GREAT JOB
guardian says to (20:54:57):
economic controls, i.e., a tradeable currency?
mailman17 says to (20:55:05):
POSSIBLE
MOST LIKELY ACTUALLY
guardian says to (20:55:27):
:P i give
mailman17 says to (20:55:57):
BREW,,,THAT REALLY WAS AN OUTSTANDING CATCH AND FORSIGHT...GREAT JOB...
Brewbaby says to (20:56:12):
ty, got a good teacher in all of you
mailman17 says to (20:56:25):
AND THANKS FOR ADDING 10 MORE PIECES TO THE PUZZLE....LOL
guardian says to (20:56:35):
i agree...hinges on the budget
mailman17 says to (20:56:41):
I AM NEVER GONNA FIND WALDO NOW..:@
WELL...LETS TAKI IT A STEP FURTHER
BASED ON WHAT BB BROUGHT UP
ALL THAT IS BUDGET ALIGNED
Brewbaby says to (20:57:27):
Iraq
A Working Party to examine the application of Iraq was established at the General Council meeting of 13 December 2004. Iraq submitted its Memorandum on the Foreign Trade Regime in September 2005. The Working Party met for a second time in April 2008 to continue the examination of Iraq’s foreign trade regime.
mailman17 says to (20:58:05):
WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW WAS NON EXISTENT
THEIR TRADE PICKED UP STEAM WHEN WHAT HAPPENED?
COME ON..YOU GUYS KNOW THIS ONE
The Dinar Kid says to (20:59:17):
({)
Aunt Gwennie says to (20:59:22):
it RV
mailman17 says to (20:59:24):
WHEN TRADE SANCTION (PART OF 7) WERE LIFTED
Brewbaby says to (20:59:40):
May
1 - 2 10:00 GENERAL COUNCIL
10 10:00 Committee on Customs Valuation
17 ASCENSION DAY (WTO non-working day)
18 REPLACING EID AL-FITR (WTO non-working
day)
22 - 23 10:00 WTO Information Technology Symposium
23 Committee of Participants on the Expansion of
Trade in Information Technology Products
15:00
mailman17 says to (20:59:41):
THAT IS WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT
Brewbaby says to (21:00:03):
Do you see this ASCENSION DAY is MAY 17th
mailman17 says to (21:00:03):
IRAQ NEED A BOOST TO GET WTO STIP DONE
I SEE
BUT
ASCENSION THEN GOES TO IRAQS PARLIAMENT...YES?
guardian says to (21:00:47):
yes
mailman17 says to (21:01:01):
GEESH..BACK TO SQUARE ONE...LOL
JUST KIDDING...I JUST FEEL
**BLEEP**WHEN ANYONE MENTIONS IRAQS PARLIMENT
******************************BLEEP*******************************
guardian says to (21:02:09):
with all these articles on the WTO they could be close, well as close as their speed
mailman17 says to (21:02:20):
YES
Brewbaby says to (21:02:26):
ok, why would it have tog o back to parliament when they are the ones passing everything to get them there to begin with?
mailman17 says to (21:02:28):
AND THAT TIES IN WITH THE RV
BREW...DIDNT IT STATE THAT IN YOUR REPORT ABOVE?
AFTER ASCENSION IS COMPLETE IT GOES BACK TO THAT GOVT FOR APPROVAL?
ALL PARLIAMENT IS DOING IS GETTING PASSED WHAT THE WTO REQUIRES
FOR ASCENSION
Brewbaby says to (21:04:36):
No it goes to the national parliament of the WTO for approval
mailman17 says to (21:04:37):
WHEN THE WTO GIVES THEM FULL MEMBERSHIP...IT THEN GOES BACK TO PARLIMENT FOR APPROVAL..YES?
Brewbaby says to (21:04:45):
at least that is the way I red it
read
mailman17 says to (21:04:53):
HANG ON LET ME REREAD
guardian says to (21:05:19):
“the Iraqi government has not yet taken a final decision on access to the membership of the WTO,” noting that “access to membership of the organization benefit the exporters of goods on the exemption of tax and facilitation of customs and other trade measures “.
mailman17 says to (21:05:40):
LOVE THAT WORD...TAX...
Brewbaby says to (21:05:40):
Once approved by the General Council of Ministerial Conference, the applicant is then free to sign the Protocol of Accession stating that it accepts the approved “accessions package” subject to ratification by its national parliament
guardian says to (21:05:57):
that is from Jan 7, 2012, customs on the agenda
mailman17 says to (21:06:08):
RATIFICATION BY ITS NATIONAL PARLIMENT MEANS IRAQS...YES?
Brewbaby says to (21:06:37):
hell I don't know, been reading way to much for my brain to handle
LOL
guardian says to (21:07:09):
recent laws need passing, then WTO could work for them
mailman17 says to (21:07:12):
LETS JUST SAY MAY AND LEAVE IT AT THAT////LOL
BUT
Brewbaby says to (21:07:39):
yeah that is all the laws they are passing that make no sense to us
mailman17 says to (21:07:46):
THIS ONLY PROVES THAT WHATS IN PARLIMENT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO WTO BUT IMF ALSO
Brewbaby says to (21:07:55):
could be
guardian says to (21:08:03):
lol...right not always very clear
mailman17 says to (21:08:04):
AND THEN...RV IS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT
WE ALREADY KNOW SHABS AGENDA
NOW WE HAVE A GOOD INSIGHT AS TO THE WTOS
GREAT JOB GUYS
VERY GOOD CHAT
guardian says to (21:09:18):
thank you also mm17
for bringing this out
mailman17 says to (21:10:26):
3 HEADS ARE BETTER THAN ONE
macy39 says to (21:10:34):
Yes, thank you MM17...always good to hear you explain things as well as all who help....thanks
mailman17 says to (21:10:54):
THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF I THINK ABOUT ALL DAY...LOL
The Dinar Kid says to (21:11:03):
thank u mailman and ds
mailman17 says to (21:11:07):
ASK MED...I USE TO BURN BOTH HIS EARS...LOL
Brewbaby says to (21:11:49):
Thanks mm17 and guardian, I am out of here for the night, getting late and 3am comes early
mailman17 says to (21:12:20):
COULDNT HAVCE SONE IT WOUT BB AND GRD
islandgrannie says to (21:12:25):
TY guardian(})
guardian says to (21:12:34):
ty Brewbaby, love your budget article
Brewbaby says to (21:12:51):
thanks, stumbled on it just before I left this morning
then computer locked up and couldn't fix it
mailman17 says to (21:13:11):
THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING THIS OUT IN CHAT IS TO REMIND EVERYONE EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND...AND ALTHOUGH THE NEWS HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN THE LAST FEW DAYS
guardian says to (21:13:18):
lol, i still think it's our rate .86 nominal
mailman17 says to (21:13:34):
THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF IRAQ IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE RV
AND ASAP
NOW
Brewbaby says to (21:13:39):
that is just fine with me, anything above that is gravy
mailman17 says to (21:13:55):
WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT AS TO WHY IT POSSIBLEY HAS TAKEN SO LONG
THAT CAN BE
SOOTHING
Brewbaby says to (21:14:21):
well if they would have stayed in the meeting more, they would have passed more and we would have been further along
mailman17 says to (21:14:21):
IT IS
GUARDIAN
guardian says to (21:14:38):
soothing?
mailman17 says to (21:14:38):
BB..YEP COULDNT AGREE MORE
Brewbaby says to (21:15:04):
ok, GN DS and thanks for everything and all the news
guardian says to (21:15:14):
gn Bb
islandgrannie says to (21:15:23):
GN BB
GiGi says (21:15:28):
aany conformation is comforting, thanks mm17
mailman17 says to (21:15:34):
WE CAN ALL GET FRUSTRATED AT IRAQ FOR ITS LACK OF INEPTNESS.....BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA AS TO WHAT THEY MUST ACCOMPLISH TO GET TO THE DATE WE ALL LOOK FOR
guardian says to (21:15:46):
comforting i agree
mailman17 says to (21:15:50):
NOT JUST SHABBIB...WE KNOW THOSE DETAILS AND THEY ARE JUST AS LONG
BUT WHAT SLOW **BLEEP** PARLIMENT MUST DO AS WELL
LOL
GiGi says (21:16:36):
amen brother
mailman17 says to (21:16:40):
LOT TO IT HUH?
guardian says to (21:17:04):
yes more then i care to know, but have to
mailman17 says to (21:17:20):
DULY NOTED
GiGi says (21:17:35):
well choose too, we could sit back and be spoon fed
mailman17 says to (21:17:49):
NO FUN IN THAT GIG....LOL
GiGi says (21:18:03):
nope
guardian says to (21:18:10):
i chose to, that's why i'm here
mailman17 says to (21:25:24):
SO IN ESSENCE...LETS QUICKLY RECAP THIS....AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAKE THE WAITING A LITTLE LESS PAINFUL
WE KNOW SHABS WANTED THIS A LONG TIME AGO
NOW WE KNOW...ALTHOUGH HE COULD HAVE PULLED THE TIGGER
HE KNEW DEEP DOWN HE COULDNT
ALL THES THINGS HAD TO BE DONE
SO WHAT DID HE DO?
HE GAVE THEM A WARNNG
WARNING
HIS REDLINE
PERSONALLY I THINK IT WAS A BLUFF
BUT IT GOT THE WHEELS MOVING
IRAQS A FLEDGLING COUNTRY
AND AS WE ALL KNOW THEIR PARLIAMENT REMINDS US ALOT OF OUR GANG
JUST CANT FIGURE OUT WHOS SPANKY...LOL
BUT RELEASING THE RV WITHOUT AL THESE THINGS DONE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DISASTER
SHABS KNEW IT
BUT I ALSO THINK HE HAD A LOT OF HELP
OUTSIDE INFLUENCE
LETS FACE IT...IRAQS GONNA ARGUE PROBABLY LONG AFTER MOST OF US ARE DEAD
BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST BE CIVIL ENOUGH TO GET IRAQ AS A WHOLE ON THE BOARD
IMF STIPS, WTO STIPS AND FINALLY IRAQS OWN INTERNAL DEMONS HAD TO BE MET AND SOLVED
THATS WHAT HAS TAKEN 8 YEARS
WE CAN SEE NOW...THAT ROAD IS ENDING
BUT THE MERE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE IS MORE THAN JUST THE HCL...OR CHAP 7 ALONE
IT ENTAILED A TON OF CRAP
LITERALLY
WE CAN NOW SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL
AND FOR ME...KNOWING THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE...KINDA MAKES THE WAIT A LITTLE LESS TOLERABLE
NOT SAYING I LIKE IT
BUT UNDERSTANDING IT HELPS
STAY FOCUSED AND POSITIVE...AND FOLLOW THE NEWS...THANKS
YOU MISSED IT..BREWBABY AND GUARDIAN HAD EPIPHANY'S....IT WAS AWESOME...8-)
guardian says to (21:35:19):
^o) nope just the facts man
mailman17 says to (21:39:15):
EVERYONE CAUGHT UP FOR NOW...DINARWISE?
Dinarjunkie says to (21:39:24):
yep thanks
mailman17 says to (21:39:26):
YOU TOO DJ?...YOU CAUGHT UP?
Dinarjunkie says to (21:39:53):
yep but hubby is lost just kidding
okie35 says to (21:40:11):
Thanks mm-17, great chat.
mailman17 says to (21:40:14):
GOOD...HEADACHES OVER IRAQS INEPTNESS IS THE LAST THING ANYONE NEEDS RIGHT NOW...LOL
HUBBYS ALWAYS LOST....JUST GIVE HIM A BEER...LOL
JUST LET IT UNFOLD...
Dinarjunkie says to (21:40:52):
and wings 10 4
mailman17 says to (21:40:58):
HEAVEN
LOL
TY OKIE
OK PEEPS...GONNA GO SURF AROUND....BBL....
SEE YOU LATER DJ...REMINFD ME
I WILL BRING MARK UP TOO
Dinarjunkie says to (21:41:50):
clear your books next saturday
mailman17 says to (21:42:02):
WORKING BUT WILL COME AFTER WORK
Dinarjunkie says to (21:42:05):
that sounds amazing
bring mark
mailman17 says to (21:42:54):
LATER DS...BBL..SEE YA DJ....AND THANKS AGAIN BREW AND GUARDIAN...
mailman17 says to (21:43:06):
I WILL SEE IF HE CAN DJ
Dinarjunkie says to (21:43:13):
night and thanks mm17
guardian says to (21:43:15):
ty mm17...so true though, Iraqis will be the same after we are gone
mailman17 says to (21:43:49):
HARD TO CHANGE A 1000 YEARS OF HATRED OVERNIGHT OR EEVEN A DECADE...SAD REALLY
guardian says to (21:44:02):
yes it is.
mailman17 says to (20:30:01):
IF ANYONE CAN FIND IT YOU CAN...
MORE INTERESTED IN THE ACTUAL ARTICLE..RUMORS OR OPINIONS CAN BE LEFT ALONE
TY GUARDIAN
I WILL BE ON FOR A BIT...
TONS OF INFO OUT THERE
BUT A LOT OF IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF
AND THATS OK
TIT FOR TAT
CONFUSING THE GENERAL POPULACE IS EXPECTED
I ALSO SEE THAT ACROSS SOME SITES...THE LOPSTERS HAVE REARED THEIR UGLY HEADS AGAIN...LOL
I THOUGHT WE BURIED THEM A LONG TIME AGO
HE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT
I WONT MENTION A NAME...BUT WILL BET ITS SOMEONE FROM MY PAST...LOL
THIS SITE HAS GIVEN YOU COUNTLESS AND I MEAN COUNTLESS REASONS AND DID SHABBIBI
guardian says to (20:34:31):
this is what i was thinking of: Iraq became a candidate member in the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI) in February 2010. We plan to publish the EITI report which would include
reconciled oil flows and payments for the oil sector by end-2011, in advance of
February 2012, which is the deadline for us to become EITI compliant.
mailman17 says to (20:34:37):
NOT SURE WHY THEY HAVE DUG THEMSELVES OUT OF THE HOLE THEY WERE PUT IN...I DIDNT LET THEM OUT...DID ANY OF YOU?...LOL
guardian says to (20:34:57):
from the IMF Country Report 2011
mailman17 says to (20:35:34):
THATS OK...I WILL TREAT THIS AS ALWAYS AS ANOTHER RUMOR..THATS WHY I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING IN WRITING BEFORE I PUT IT OUT TO THE MASSES HERE...THANKS YOU
Brewbaby says to (20:35:39):
Hi DS and mm17!
mailman17 says to (20:35:58):
HELLO BB
Brewbaby says to (20:36:07):
In case I do not see Bam Bam until much later, please thank him for me
guardian says to (20:36:12):
they're working with the WTO right now, don't they need a tradeable currency for that?
mailman17 says to (20:36:18):
NO THEY DONT
BUT THEY ARE NOT FULL MEMBERS EITHER
Brewbaby says to (20:36:39):
I know he said I owe him many cookies, need to talk to mm
guardian says to (20:36:40):
but soon will be i think
mailman17 says to (20:36:46):
I WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF ANY STIPULATIONS THE WTO MIGHT HAVE SET
WE WILL BB
Brewbaby says to (20:37:18):
I thought last year we went through that and Med said they have to have a tradable cuurency to be a full fledged member
mailman17 says to (20:37:29):
REGARDING IRAQS FULL MEMBERSHIP
THEY DO
Brewbaby says to (20:37:34):
yes
mailman17 says to (20:38:01):
THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT..IF THE WTO HAD GIVEN THEM A TARGET DATE
Brewbaby says to (20:38:16):
I thought it was to happen in April of this year
mailman17 says to (20:38:27):
AND IF THEY HAVENT BY THAT DATE...THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR
Brewbaby says to (20:38:37):
their ascension to the WTO
mailman17 says to (20:38:50):
BB..NOTHING CONCRETE DATE WISE...I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOME CEMENT...LOL
THERES A **BLEEP** LOT GOING ON BEHIND OUR BACKS
Brewbaby says to (20:39:36):
Did not the article say that the UAE relieved them of their 5.8 bill in debtr so it would pave the way to the ascension
mailman17 says to (20:39:39):
AND WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS'
I KNOW THAT BOTHERS ME AND MED..AS YOU ALL AS WELL
NOT KNOWING...LOL
BB..YES...PAVE
guardian says to (20:40:21):
Trade: informative seminars continue Bmaheh Iraq's accession to the World Trade
Organization (WTO) posted today by harry
Brewbaby says to (20:40:36):
so, it appears to me that they are to be a full member come April
mailman17 says to (20:40:53):
BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW IF A CONCRETE DATE HAS BEEN SET FOR IRAQ TO ACTUALLLY HAVE A TRADEABLE AND RECOGNIZED CURRENCY BEFORE ASCENSION INTO THE WTO
TY GUARDIAN
guardian says to (20:41:13):
that is the million dollar question
mailman17 says to (20:41:30):
THEY CAN PAVE ALL THEY WANT...IRAQ IS GOOD AT PAVING...LOL
guardian says to (20:41:36):
lol
mailman17 says to (20:41:43):
ITS ACTUALLY GETTING DONE AND SIGNED OFF ON IS WHAT THEY**BLEEP**AT
Brewbaby says to (20:42:41):
Article XII of the WTO Agreement states that accession to the WTO will be “on terms to be agreed” between the acceding government and the WTO. Accession to the WTO is essentially a process of negotiation — quite different from the process of accession to other international entities, like the IMF, which is largely an automatic process.
mailman17 says to (20:42:42):
I WOULD ALSO ASSUME...THE WTO WOULD NEED IRAQS DINAR TRADE ABLE AT LEAST EVEN FOR A SHORT PERIOD BEFORE THEY GET FULL MEMBERSHIP
Big says to (20:42:44):
Actually, they just get the concrete base in and leave it at that. Next thing you know it's all washing away LOL
guardian says to (20:42:50):
i will snoop around, got my tail wagging
mailman17 says to (20:43:05):
GET EM GD
BREW...EXACTLY
Brewbaby says to (20:43:43):
Conditions of entry back to top
After examining all aspects of the existing trade and legal regimes of the acceding government the Working Party goes into the substantive part of the multilateral negotiations involved in accessions. This determines the terms and conditions of entry for the applicant government. Terms and conditions incl
mailman17 says to (20:43:51):
IF...THE WTO NEGOTIATED A DATE...SET IN STONE....I WANNA KNOW THAT DATE...LOL
guardian says to (20:44:05):
right
Brewbaby says to (20:44:21):
include commitments to observe WTO rules and disciplines upon accession and transitional periods required to make any legislative or structural changes where necessary to implement these commitments.
mailman17 says to (20:44:34):
CORRECT
ALL THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY DONE ALREADY
OR AT LEAST THEY APPEAR TO PUT IT THAT WAY
Brewbaby says to (20:46:08):
Once approved by the General Council of Ministerial Conference, the applicant is then free to sign the Protocol of Accession stating that it accepts the approved “accessions package” subject to ratific
mailman17 says to (20:46:09):
I NEED SOMEONE TO SNEAK INTO THE WTO HEADQUARTERS AND GET ME THAT DATE...WHERE MOUNTAINMAN?
Big says to (20:46:25):
Seal team6
Brewbaby says to (20:46:28):
in its national parliament. Normally three months is given from signature of the Protocol of Accession for this to take place.
Thirty days after the applicant government notifies the WTO Secretariat that it has completed its ratification procedures, the applicant government becomes a full Member of the WTO.
Brewbaby says to (20:46:58):
So, if I am reading this right, they applied or had to of applied at least three months ago
mailman17 says to (20:47:10):
SO THEY ARE ON SCHEDULE MORE OR LESS FOR APR MAR
mailman17 says to (20:47:14):
GIVE OR TAKE
Brewbaby says to (20:47:20):
that is my take on it yes
mailman17 says to (20:47:29):
BUT IT STILL HAS TO GET THROUGH IRAQS PARLIMENT
OH CRAP...THAT COULD TAKE YEARS
JUST KIDDING
DANG more waiting
I THINK PART OF THE APLICATION PROCESS WAS ACTUAL HANDS ON FROM THE WTO
Brewbaby says to (20:48:38):
The next formal meeting of the Sub-Committee is scheduled for April 2012.
mailman17 says to (20:48:51):
BUT THE WTO DOESN'T SET IRAQS RATE OR MAKE IT TRADEABLE
guardian says to (20:49:08):
i see the rumor out on the net, but no article link to back it up that they said they read...but could be one somewhere, still looking
mailman17 says to (20:49:09):
BINGO BB...APR SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A VOTE
GUARDIAN...THANK YOU...LETS FORGET ABOUT THIS ONE AND CONSIDER IT A RUMOR THEN...THANK YOU FOR DIGGING
WE DONT DO RUMORS....BUT ARTICLES WE LOVE
TY
guardian says to (20:50:28):
ok
mailman17 says to (20:50:35):
TOO BAD...I HAD A GREAT EPIPHAMY SET UP TOO....LOL
OH WELL...({)
chelle says to (20:51:13):
are we close..can I quit...
mailman17 says to (20:51:25):
CLOSE YES...QUIT...NO
NOT YET ANYWAY
chelle says to (20:51:40):
:@
mailman17 says to (20:51:55):
I STILL THINK THIS HINGES ON GETTING THE BUDGET DONE
AND RATIFIED
ALONG WITH SHABS BILL AND THE OTHER BILLS NEEDED
THATS WHAT WE WAIT IN...LETS HOPE PARLIMENT SCHEDULE AS POSTED BY GUARDIAN IS CORRECT...AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SHOW MORE OF THEIR HAND AS THE WEEK GOES BY
Brewbaby says to (20:53:51):
Ok according to what I am reading all of the weird laws they have been passing about health, agriculture, etc. etc. are all part of the stips to becoming a member in the WTO
mailman17 says to (20:54:00):
GREAT
AWESOME BB
YOUR QUITE THE DETECTIVE
Brewbaby says to (20:54:18):
http://docsonline.wto.org/DDFDocuments/t/WT/ACC/8.DOC
guardian says to (20:54:24):
Jan 7, 2012 Maliki: “Iraq’s access to such membership is in need of legislation and the laws of Iraq must approve including fit with the nature of the regulations set by the WTO. “
mailman17 says to (20:54:25):
MEDS RUBBED OFF ON YA A LITTLE
LOL
guardian says to (20:54:29):
The Ministry of Trade and Industry of Iraq have shown earlier fears of the rush to get Iraq’s permanent membership of the WTO and said that “this would create confusion in the economy in the absence of legislation and economic controls eligible for this step.”
mailman17 says to (20:54:49):
I DIDNT EVEN CATCH THAT ONE...GREAT JOB
guardian says to (20:54:57):
economic controls, i.e., a tradeable currency?
mailman17 says to (20:55:05):
POSSIBLE
MOST LIKELY ACTUALLY
guardian says to (20:55:27):
:P i give
mailman17 says to (20:55:57):
BREW,,,THAT REALLY WAS AN OUTSTANDING CATCH AND FORSIGHT...GREAT JOB...
Brewbaby says to (20:56:12):
ty, got a good teacher in all of you
mailman17 says to (20:56:25):
AND THANKS FOR ADDING 10 MORE PIECES TO THE PUZZLE....LOL
guardian says to (20:56:35):
i agree...hinges on the budget
mailman17 says to (20:56:41):
I AM NEVER GONNA FIND WALDO NOW..:@
WELL...LETS TAKI IT A STEP FURTHER
BASED ON WHAT BB BROUGHT UP
ALL THAT IS BUDGET ALIGNED
Brewbaby says to (20:57:27):
Iraq
A Working Party to examine the application of Iraq was established at the General Council meeting of 13 December 2004. Iraq submitted its Memorandum on the Foreign Trade Regime in September 2005. The Working Party met for a second time in April 2008 to continue the examination of Iraq’s foreign trade regime.
mailman17 says to (20:58:05):
WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW WAS NON EXISTENT
THEIR TRADE PICKED UP STEAM WHEN WHAT HAPPENED?
COME ON..YOU GUYS KNOW THIS ONE
The Dinar Kid says to (20:59:17):
({)
Aunt Gwennie says to (20:59:22):
it RV
mailman17 says to (20:59:24):
WHEN TRADE SANCTION (PART OF 7) WERE LIFTED
Brewbaby says to (20:59:40):
May
1 - 2 10:00 GENERAL COUNCIL
10 10:00 Committee on Customs Valuation
17 ASCENSION DAY (WTO non-working day)
18 REPLACING EID AL-FITR (WTO non-working
day)
22 - 23 10:00 WTO Information Technology Symposium
23 Committee of Participants on the Expansion of
Trade in Information Technology Products
15:00
mailman17 says to (20:59:41):
THAT IS WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT
Brewbaby says to (21:00:03):
Do you see this ASCENSION DAY is MAY 17th
mailman17 says to (21:00:03):
IRAQ NEED A BOOST TO GET WTO STIP DONE
I SEE
BUT
ASCENSION THEN GOES TO IRAQS PARLIAMENT...YES?
guardian says to (21:00:47):
yes
mailman17 says to (21:01:01):
GEESH..BACK TO SQUARE ONE...LOL
JUST KIDDING...I JUST FEEL
**BLEEP**WHEN ANYONE MENTIONS IRAQS PARLIMENT
******************************BLEEP*******************************
guardian says to (21:02:09):
with all these articles on the WTO they could be close, well as close as their speed
mailman17 says to (21:02:20):
YES
Brewbaby says to (21:02:26):
ok, why would it have tog o back to parliament when they are the ones passing everything to get them there to begin with?
mailman17 says to (21:02:28):
AND THAT TIES IN WITH THE RV
BREW...DIDNT IT STATE THAT IN YOUR REPORT ABOVE?
AFTER ASCENSION IS COMPLETE IT GOES BACK TO THAT GOVT FOR APPROVAL?
ALL PARLIAMENT IS DOING IS GETTING PASSED WHAT THE WTO REQUIRES
FOR ASCENSION
Brewbaby says to (21:04:36):
No it goes to the national parliament of the WTO for approval
mailman17 says to (21:04:37):
WHEN THE WTO GIVES THEM FULL MEMBERSHIP...IT THEN GOES BACK TO PARLIMENT FOR APPROVAL..YES?
Brewbaby says to (21:04:45):
at least that is the way I red it
read
mailman17 says to (21:04:53):
HANG ON LET ME REREAD
guardian says to (21:05:19):
“the Iraqi government has not yet taken a final decision on access to the membership of the WTO,” noting that “access to membership of the organization benefit the exporters of goods on the exemption of tax and facilitation of customs and other trade measures “.
mailman17 says to (21:05:40):
LOVE THAT WORD...TAX...
Brewbaby says to (21:05:40):
Once approved by the General Council of Ministerial Conference, the applicant is then free to sign the Protocol of Accession stating that it accepts the approved “accessions package” subject to ratification by its national parliament
guardian says to (21:05:57):
that is from Jan 7, 2012, customs on the agenda
mailman17 says to (21:06:08):
RATIFICATION BY ITS NATIONAL PARLIMENT MEANS IRAQS...YES?
Brewbaby says to (21:06:37):
hell I don't know, been reading way to much for my brain to handle
LOL
guardian says to (21:07:09):
recent laws need passing, then WTO could work for them
mailman17 says to (21:07:12):
LETS JUST SAY MAY AND LEAVE IT AT THAT////LOL
BUT
Brewbaby says to (21:07:39):
yeah that is all the laws they are passing that make no sense to us
mailman17 says to (21:07:46):
THIS ONLY PROVES THAT WHATS IN PARLIMENT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO WTO BUT IMF ALSO
Brewbaby says to (21:07:55):
could be
guardian says to (21:08:03):
lol...right not always very clear
mailman17 says to (21:08:04):
AND THEN...RV IS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT
WE ALREADY KNOW SHABS AGENDA
NOW WE HAVE A GOOD INSIGHT AS TO THE WTOS
GREAT JOB GUYS
VERY GOOD CHAT
guardian says to (21:09:18):
thank you also mm17
for bringing this out
mailman17 says to (21:10:26):
3 HEADS ARE BETTER THAN ONE
macy39 says to (21:10:34):
Yes, thank you MM17...always good to hear you explain things as well as all who help....thanks
mailman17 says to (21:10:54):
THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF I THINK ABOUT ALL DAY...LOL
The Dinar Kid says to (21:11:03):
thank u mailman and ds
mailman17 says to (21:11:07):
ASK MED...I USE TO BURN BOTH HIS EARS...LOL
Brewbaby says to (21:11:49):
Thanks mm17 and guardian, I am out of here for the night, getting late and 3am comes early
mailman17 says to (21:12:20):
COULDNT HAVCE SONE IT WOUT BB AND GRD
islandgrannie says to (21:12:25):
TY guardian(})
guardian says to (21:12:34):
ty Brewbaby, love your budget article
Brewbaby says to (21:12:51):
thanks, stumbled on it just before I left this morning
then computer locked up and couldn't fix it
mailman17 says to (21:13:11):
THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING THIS OUT IN CHAT IS TO REMIND EVERYONE EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND...AND ALTHOUGH THE NEWS HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN THE LAST FEW DAYS
guardian says to (21:13:18):
lol, i still think it's our rate .86 nominal
mailman17 says to (21:13:34):
THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF IRAQ IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE RV
AND ASAP
NOW
Brewbaby says to (21:13:39):
that is just fine with me, anything above that is gravy
mailman17 says to (21:13:55):
WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT AS TO WHY IT POSSIBLEY HAS TAKEN SO LONG
THAT CAN BE
SOOTHING
Brewbaby says to (21:14:21):
well if they would have stayed in the meeting more, they would have passed more and we would have been further along
mailman17 says to (21:14:21):
IT IS
GUARDIAN
guardian says to (21:14:38):
soothing?
mailman17 says to (21:14:38):
BB..YEP COULDNT AGREE MORE
Brewbaby says to (21:15:04):
ok, GN DS and thanks for everything and all the news
guardian says to (21:15:14):
gn Bb
islandgrannie says to (21:15:23):
GN BB
GiGi says (21:15:28):
aany conformation is comforting, thanks mm17
mailman17 says to (21:15:34):
WE CAN ALL GET FRUSTRATED AT IRAQ FOR ITS LACK OF INEPTNESS.....BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA AS TO WHAT THEY MUST ACCOMPLISH TO GET TO THE DATE WE ALL LOOK FOR
guardian says to (21:15:46):
comforting i agree
mailman17 says to (21:15:50):
NOT JUST SHABBIB...WE KNOW THOSE DETAILS AND THEY ARE JUST AS LONG
BUT WHAT SLOW **BLEEP** PARLIMENT MUST DO AS WELL
LOL
GiGi says (21:16:36):
amen brother
mailman17 says to (21:16:40):
LOT TO IT HUH?
guardian says to (21:17:04):
yes more then i care to know, but have to
mailman17 says to (21:17:20):
DULY NOTED
GiGi says (21:17:35):
well choose too, we could sit back and be spoon fed
mailman17 says to (21:17:49):
NO FUN IN THAT GIG....LOL
GiGi says (21:18:03):
nope
guardian says to (21:18:10):
i chose to, that's why i'm here
mailman17 says to (21:25:24):
SO IN ESSENCE...LETS QUICKLY RECAP THIS....AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAKE THE WAITING A LITTLE LESS PAINFUL
WE KNOW SHABS WANTED THIS A LONG TIME AGO
NOW WE KNOW...ALTHOUGH HE COULD HAVE PULLED THE TIGGER
HE KNEW DEEP DOWN HE COULDNT
ALL THES THINGS HAD TO BE DONE
SO WHAT DID HE DO?
HE GAVE THEM A WARNNG
WARNING
HIS REDLINE
PERSONALLY I THINK IT WAS A BLUFF
BUT IT GOT THE WHEELS MOVING
IRAQS A FLEDGLING COUNTRY
AND AS WE ALL KNOW THEIR PARLIAMENT REMINDS US ALOT OF OUR GANG
JUST CANT FIGURE OUT WHOS SPANKY...LOL
BUT RELEASING THE RV WITHOUT AL THESE THINGS DONE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DISASTER
SHABS KNEW IT
BUT I ALSO THINK HE HAD A LOT OF HELP
OUTSIDE INFLUENCE
LETS FACE IT...IRAQS GONNA ARGUE PROBABLY LONG AFTER MOST OF US ARE DEAD
BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST BE CIVIL ENOUGH TO GET IRAQ AS A WHOLE ON THE BOARD
IMF STIPS, WTO STIPS AND FINALLY IRAQS OWN INTERNAL DEMONS HAD TO BE MET AND SOLVED
THATS WHAT HAS TAKEN 8 YEARS
WE CAN SEE NOW...THAT ROAD IS ENDING
BUT THE MERE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE IS MORE THAN JUST THE HCL...OR CHAP 7 ALONE
IT ENTAILED A TON OF CRAP
LITERALLY
WE CAN NOW SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL
AND FOR ME...KNOWING THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE...KINDA MAKES THE WAIT A LITTLE LESS TOLERABLE
NOT SAYING I LIKE IT
BUT UNDERSTANDING IT HELPS
STAY FOCUSED AND POSITIVE...AND FOLLOW THE NEWS...THANKS
YOU MISSED IT..BREWBABY AND GUARDIAN HAD EPIPHANY'S....IT WAS AWESOME...8-)
guardian says to (21:35:19):
^o) nope just the facts man
mailman17 says to (21:39:15):
EVERYONE CAUGHT UP FOR NOW...DINARWISE?
Dinarjunkie says to (21:39:24):
yep thanks
mailman17 says to (21:39:26):
YOU TOO DJ?...YOU CAUGHT UP?
Dinarjunkie says to (21:39:53):
yep but hubby is lost just kidding
okie35 says to (21:40:11):
Thanks mm-17, great chat.
mailman17 says to (21:40:14):
GOOD...HEADACHES OVER IRAQS INEPTNESS IS THE LAST THING ANYONE NEEDS RIGHT NOW...LOL
HUBBYS ALWAYS LOST....JUST GIVE HIM A BEER...LOL
JUST LET IT UNFOLD...
Dinarjunkie says to (21:40:52):
and wings 10 4
mailman17 says to (21:40:58):
HEAVEN
LOL
TY OKIE
OK PEEPS...GONNA GO SURF AROUND....BBL....
SEE YOU LATER DJ...REMINFD ME
I WILL BRING MARK UP TOO
Dinarjunkie says to (21:41:50):
clear your books next saturday
mailman17 says to (21:42:02):
WORKING BUT WILL COME AFTER WORK
Dinarjunkie says to (21:42:05):
that sounds amazing
bring mark
mailman17 says to (21:42:54):
LATER DS...BBL..SEE YA DJ....AND THANKS AGAIN BREW AND GUARDIAN...
mailman17 says to (21:43:06):
I WILL SEE IF HE CAN DJ
Dinarjunkie says to (21:43:13):
night and thanks mm17
guardian says to (21:43:15):
ty mm17...so true though, Iraqis will be the same after we are gone
mailman17 says to (21:43:49):
HARD TO CHANGE A 1000 YEARS OF HATRED OVERNIGHT OR EEVEN A DECADE...SAD REALLY
guardian says to (21:44:02):
yes it is.
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